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February 03, 2009

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Lisa

How exciting that you got to meet Obama! And how exciting for me to know you're an INFJ like me...we are so rare and I feel like an oddball most of the time. Plus, I'm lefthanded, which makes me even odder. Anyway, I know everything is on a continuum and maybe I'm extremely introverted, but I just couldn't imagine the rigors of campaigning as an I...and Obama seems so good at it, so I just assumed he was an E. I figured he was an F, because he just seems so warm and as we're seeing this week, he's maybe TOO accommodating of others' views, at times to the detriment of his goals...Have you considered he might be a J...he seems to like to keep a regular schedule and is very disciplined with his exercise...

Thanks for some interesting insights!

Carol

My guess: Michelle is an ESFJ. That is because she said she wanted to spend the first six months "getting into a routine" with her family at the White House. She and her husband "made a deal" with the daughters about getting a dog if daddy became president. And, she likes it when her kids have sleepovers!

Linda INFP (NZ)

I really hope Obama is a strong INFP. Being one myself, I know how ennervating and exhausting it is to be in the spotlight. But he's young! He's a guy! He's your first black President! And that should give him an automatic 'coating', if nothing else!

Kim

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss this subject! I tend to think Obama is INTP--I say this as an INFP (and another INFP I know agrees, even though we both thought at first he was INFP). I think he was strongly influenced by an NF mother and an STJ grandmother--and that he acquired that gracious style with people from his Hawaiian and Indonesian (and to some extent African) cultural experiences. He definitely has an idealistic vision for America but there is an abstract quality to it that makes me question a true F preference. I think I would have read in his autobiography a story or two where dominant introverted feeling caused him some kind of pain--getting too caught up in the sad stories of residents of Chicago's South Side, wanting to help them realize their potential as individual human beings rather than concentrating on the political (and valuable) task of "organizing". He does care for the people he works for, but I sensed an ability to detach himself, not drown in their pain. I think we would have heard of some story where he really put himself out for one or two or three people whose special needs he perceived cried out for extra attention. Or some story about overcoming sensitivity to criticism. What does come through loud and clear since he won is his admiration for intellectual competence and scientific inquiry. He seems quite comfortable with the tough T-ness of Rahm Emmanuel. The general steadiness that he exudes seems more T-like than F, especially highly subjective dominant introverted feeling. By the way, I've heard Lincoln was INFP and there are enough similarities in their ways of viewing the world for Obama to want to emulate him. But Lincoln suffered from serious mood disorders, a condition all too familiar for INFPs.

Kim

Can't resist adding more thoughts on this subject, though I'm less certain about the following ideas. I think Michelle is ESTJ. I don't think she has to be an F to want to do right by her girls as they get settled in DC (at the very least, it's a great organizing opportunity!) To me there is a no-nonsense quality about her that seems more T-like. I think Barack is comfortable with her J style (remember years ago she complained he often left the butter out on the counter..) after living with his no nonsense bank-employed grandmother (ISTJ?) (and his possibly NFJ mother, who got up at 4 in the morning to give him English lessons in Indonesia?) He does say Michelle is the practical one (S?). Her signature suggests S because she joins every letter together. Also her eye for fashion? We know she really didnt want him to run for president at first. When asked why she finally agreed to it, she said that she asked herself who else was there to lead the kind of country that she wanted her girls to grow up in---and there was no one else. This seemed to me like a decision making approach based on logical consequences (T).

Kim

Janet, it is so amazing to hear that you passed along type information to Obama years ago. I have had this feeling that he was at least somewhat type-aware for many months. I marveled at his exercise regimen until I heard that he uses it to have time to think by himself--that thinking time would be a huge incentive for an I on the go all day long.
I've had the sense that Michelle sets up the conditions for a disciplined lifestyle and that Barack accepts its value--in fact I sense they admire each other for their respective strengths, and perhaps knowledge about type has helped them do that. Wouldn't you love to know if that was true?

Lisa (INFJ)

What an interesting discussion! Thanks, Janet, and all who gave me food for thought!

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